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9-11 Inside Job and Neocons Hacked 2004

Clint Curtis Will Not Roll Over

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: 
Clint Curtis just won't roll over. And that, fellow Americans, is a very
good thing.
Curtis came to prominence a few years back when The BRAD BLOG broke the
story <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1025>  of his blowing the whistle on
Republican congressman Tom Feeney (FL-24) who, as Curtis alleged in a sworn
affidavit <http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/ClintCurtis/CC_Affidavit_120604.pdf>
, asked him to write an election-rigging software prototype when both men
worked at the same Oviedo, FL, software firm in 2000. Curtis was a
programmer, Feeney was then Speaker of the Florida House as well as the
general counsel and registered lobbyist for the company, Yang Enterprises,
Inc. (YEI)
A lifelong Republican, Curtis did as asked, believing the program was meant
to be used to prevent election tampering by Democrats. When he learned the
true purpose was to manipulate the vote in South Florida, Curtis went to the
authorities and finally to the public. The BRAD BLOG has been following his
story closely <http://www.bradblog.com/ClintCurtisSummary.htm>  ever since.
Last year Curtis, who switched to the Democratic party in the wake of his
experience and others like it with Feeney and YEI, challenged the powerful
Feeney on his own turf --- he ran against him for the U.S. House seat in
Florida's 24th district, where Feeney had ascended in 2002.. Feeney's
campaign against Curtis was as slimy <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3581>  as
expected, with the powerful Republican friend of DeLay, Abramoff, and the
whole bunch spending big bucks on a smear campaign
<http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3527>  in hopes of painting Curtis as a wacko
conspiracy theorist <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3616> , despite years of
evidence shoring up Curtis's original claims - including his successful
passing of a polygraph test <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1314>  - and one
report after another revealing massive holes in the claims of innocence by
both Feeney and YEI.
"We have now found absolutely...more votes for Democrats than the official
results show. Absolutely more votes. No trends, no guesses. More votes. That
should never happen."
Despite pre-election polls, including one from Zogby International, Inc.
<http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3653> , just prior to the election, showing the
two men to be in a statistical dead heat, Feeney defeated Curtis 58% to 42%
according to Florida's officially certified election results
<http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELEC
TIONDATE=11/7/2006&RACE=USR&PARTY=&DIST=024&GRP=&DATAMODE=> .
But Curtis smelled a rat. Backed up by polling and his remarkable online
vote verification tool, VoteNow 2006
<http://www.bradblog.com/www.votenow2006.net> , he refused to concede. His
race is now one of five challenges <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3986>  (four
of them from the state of Florida, including the well-known FL-13
Jennings/Buchanan contest <http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=180> ) currently
pending in the U.S. Congress as having been filed under the Federal
Contested Elections Act.


We spoke with Curtis late last week about what's going on with those
challenges, about his ongoing efforts to lobby Congress to finally bring
reform to our broken election system, his experience with the Democrats "50
State Strategy," and whether he plans to run against Feeney again in 2008.
Suffice to say, like those three gals from Texas, Clint Curtis isn't "ready
to make nice" either...
BRAD BLOG: It's been a while since we've checked in. Give us a heads-up.
CLINT CURTIS: What we're doing is we took the results of the election-we had
little independent polls, VoteNow2006 and the Zogby poll which basically
said we were running dead even with 11% of the independents still undecided.
So we were expecting a dead even result-if things worked out as the votes
were cast. Instead we got a 16-point loss-which is a good thing.
BB: A good thing? How can that be a good thing?
CC: Well, if we had lost by 1 or 2 two points, or even 5, it is almost
impossible to go back and verify that, because you have to have such a huge
amount of people that put together input to you in order to find that small
margin. Whereas if you have a big margin, if you should have gotten 100
votes and you got 20% less, then you only have to find the 80 [voters who
voted for you].
BB: It's much easier to prove fraud.
CC: Right, and your proof is much more useful if you can show beyond just
the amount. So if you were looking for 2%, you couldn't find statistical
evidence beyond it to prove it. So what we're doing is, immediately after
the election, we picked up the information from the Supervisor of Elections
on who voted in the election. That doesn't tell you how they vote, but it
does tell you their party affiliation and who they are. So we are canvassing
the Democrats and Independents to see how they voted, because they're likely
to be on our side. So in a sense we can forfeit the Republicans and find out
just in the Democrats and Independents if the vote count was valid. The
Republican vote is really irrelevant. 
Take District 66. We take who voted-how many Democrats, how many
Independents, how many Republicans-how many official votes we had. Then we
look at: Out of the pool of Democrats and Independents, how many votes did
we get, forfeiting all Republicans? In [District] 66, we only received 55%
of the vote, something like that [from among all Democrats and
Independents]. So we're now canvassing door-to-door all the people who
voted, signing affidavits saying "under penalty of perjury, this is how I
voted." We're doing mine, the governor's race and [several contested Florida
races]. So far we are finding about 80% voted for me, not 

55%.
BB: Wow. Feeney probably didn't expect that kind of tenacity.
CC: We've done almost a dozen precincts so far, the trend has shown a
Democratic-at least in my race-undervalue between 12% and 24%.
BB: Some have speculated that if there was manipulation of the
<http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1050> election results, it was done so to such a
large degree to be a deliberate smackdown to you, by Feeney, for having the
audacity to challenge him at all. 
"The fact that we were robbed in the way we were is actually a blessing. It
gives us a chance to prove it once and for all."
CC: (laughs) Well, that seems to be the case, because why cheat at 16%
unless your math is just bad? We were showing dead even, which means he
could have won by 2 or 3%. There would have been nothing we could have done
to catch him. Or maybe he just jumped it too soon, because how you flip it
is a matter of question, too.
In another district-because we have other [Florida] candidates who are
challenging the election results, too-so over in Pasco County, we went over
there and walked with [congressional] candidate John Russell, and we have
now found absolutely-because we were able to cover enough-more votes for
Democrats than the official results show. Absolutely more votes. No trends,
no guesses. More votes. That should never happen.
BB: This is smoking gun stuff here. But now the question is, what does one
do with these data? 
 <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1050> CC: We are going up and visiting the
folks in D.C. We've been there a couple times, and we're going up there
again. And we are giving them hard data that the elections are not correct.
And so now this gives us the ability to fix it and the ability to negotiate.
Republicans can argue trends all day long. Take [FL-13 congressional
candidate] Christine Jennings. Everybody knows she won, right? If the trend
had continued, she would have won by thousands of votes. They'll say, "Well,
what if the trend didn't continue?" That will be their argument. They don't
have to have real facts. They'll make up their own truths. But they can't
make up hard data. When you have more voters say they voted-under penalty of
perjury and have legal affidavits to back it up-than the machine showed, how
do you argue with that?
BB: Well, they will anyway.
CC: Right, but they have nothing to argue with-"Apparently these people are
lying in court affidavits, but we're getting the truth from machines that
cannot be verified." (laughs) They won't even believe that.


BB: So where are we at now with the challenge-or should I say challenges?
CC: The challenges are coming along pretty well. The attorney in the state
challenge, his name is Mark Adams, and he was involved with the case to get
the other gubernatorial candidate [John Wayne Smith], the Independent
candidate, on the ballot and the debate, so he's been involved with election
stuff a lot. And then in D.C., our attorney is Cynthia Butler, and she was
involved with Ohio. So far it's trucking along at
<http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3581> the rate it's going. 
BB: So what sort of timeframe are we looking at? Are the Democrats actually
going to have to sit down and address this, or just ignore it as they tend
to do?
CC: I think they will address it. They just got the committee formed-the
Administration Committee, which always gets the last look. Everybody wants
to be on Ways & Means or in the money positions or the Technology Committee.
Nobody really wants to be on the Administration Committee. It's a lot of
work and a lot of procedure. So it's the last one formed. They're just
getting started. The good thing about the data that we're developing-it
doesn't require a programmer or a statistician to work with. It's something
that anybody could go out and investigate and get the exact same results
that I can.
I just got a letter last week from the [House] Administration Committee. We
submitted our data. Feeney sent his letter requesting it be dismissed. He
didn't give any grounds or argue with the results. He just said, "Get rid of
it." We asked for extended time for discovery since we basically have to
poll the world here. The letter came back which said, "We've just formed the
committee. We haven't taken this under consideration. It's too early to
dismiss, and it's too early to worry about discovery." So we're just rolling
onward. We'll work on their time frame. 
BB: And keep gathering data. Is there any precedent that you're aware of for
unseating a congressman due to fraudulent election results?
CC: Yes, it's happened before. It happened in Louisiana once. What we're
hoping for is not so much whether we can unseat or not, because in order to
do that, they're going to have an independent investigation. I don't think
Feeney wants to have an investigation, 'cause if you put all those feet on
the ground, and you find that the vote was fixed, it becomes "Who fixed
'em?" and "Let's put him in jail."
 <http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3581> We found that I don't think the "crazy"
thing (Feeney's campaign to paint Curtis as a lunatic) really worked very
well for 'em. In fact, it sent us a lot of volunteers. A third of our
campaign were Republicans that weren't Republicans anymore. 
BB: People's eyes tend to glaze over on the e-voting security issue-they
assume it's computer stuff, over their heads. You have a wonderful way of
being able to demystify e-voting issues and explain things in laymen's
terms, and I think it's going to be a big plus in your case.
CC: They seem to be getting it in D.C. now. You know, [Rep. Rush] Holt put
out his bill. There's a few things that need to be fixed. But there are
several people that are willing to put the amendments out there. We've
talked with about 40 members of Congress, and we're going to set up an
appointment with [Sen. Dianne] Feinstein. If we can work out the little
things about audits and crushing the DREs-because a lot of them don't
understand you can still have a touch-screen without having a DRE [e.g. a
"ballot marking device" which prints a ballot, but doesn't tabulate it]. A
lot think we need a touch-screen and if you don't have a touch-screen,
people can't vote-done deal. 
I've been talking with them one-on-one, getting in their offices and
explaining it to them. A lot of them don't understand the difference. They
don't understand that DREs are not a touch-screen. What makes a DRE is that
you can't verify that the vote that has been recorded. So we may want to
start changing our language for people who don't have a lot of time to get
into the technical aspects and saying we have no problem with touch-screens
as long as it prints out a paper ballot that can be independently verified.
Once they understand that, and also that the technology is already
available, I think we can go there.
BB: You mentioned Dianne Feinstein. What's going on with her?
CC: She's been very helpful. Her office has sent over a list of people we've
been contacting. We're going to try to explain it to her and get [election
reform issues] going in the Senate as well as in the House. Then I think we
have a good chance of fixing things once and for all. 
BB: That would be amazing. But I'm not holding my breath.
"If [the Democrats] had stuck with the 50-state strategy, I think they would
have had better numbers than they had, but then again, if your machines
aren't counting, it doesn't matter how much money you spend."
CC: You can't be too hard on them up front. Democrats move slowly sometimes.
They'll put that toe in the water and feel it first before they jump in
there. There are a few who have refused to talk to us. But in general people
are helpful, they understand when we explain it to them and show them the
data we've collected. It's so straightforward it's hard to give any sort of
denial to. 
BB: The ones that refuse to talk to you, what do you think is going on
there?
CC: I don't know. I don't know if it's just some partisan thing, or if they
have some sort of tie in to the other party that would make it hard for them
to get on board. I don't really like to speculate, but some, they 

just don't care. This is not an area that interests them.
BB: Going to give it another shot in '08? 
CC: Absolutely. 
BB: What would you do differently?
CC: We would need to raise more money up front. I talked to the DCCC. They
said the reason they didn't come into our race, even though we were showing
good numbers and had all of our ground support, was that we didn't have the
numbers in cash to really get them interested.
BB: So they didn't give you cash because you didn't have cash?
CC: (laughs) And we started fairly late, so we really had to concentrate
more on infrastructure than fundraising. 
BB: So their 50-state strategy...
CC: It was probably a 3-state strategy. It started out with Dean and the
50-state strategy, and then Rahm Emanuel changed that and targeted, I think,
only 5 or 6 races throughout the country, and they lost all but one of
those. If they had stuck with the 50-state strategy, I think they would have
had better numbers than they had, but then again, if your machines aren't
counting, it doesn't matter how much money you spend. 
BB: Thanks for your time, Clint. One last question. On a certain level, you
have to kind of take it personally that you were robbed. Doesn't that get to
you? 
CC: I might have if we didn't expect it. But from the beginning, we expected
it. I was happy when I saw the margin was big enough that we could do
something about it. If I had been robbed like Christine Jennings, where it
was all these undervotes --- 'cause how do you prove an undervote? - you're
just out there in the cold. The fact that we were robbed in the way we were
is actually a blessing. It gives us a chance to prove it once and for all.

For more info on The BRAD BLOG's  <http://www.BradBlog.com> continuing
investigative series on The Clint Curtis/ Tom Feeney/ Yang Enterprises
Vote-Rigging Scandal series, please see:

	- A Quick Summary <http://www.BradBlog.com/ClintCurtisSummary.htm>
of the story so far.
	- An Index of all the Key Articles & Evidence
<http://www.BradBlog.com/ClintCurtis.htm>  in the series so far.
	
Curtis ran for U.S. Congress against Feeney in 2006. For more info, see:
www.ClintCurtis.com